Comments on: Deporting and torturing http://stevereads.com/weblog/2004/09/30/deporting-and-torturing/ Books and policy from an endlessly curious perspective Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:29:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1-beta By: Adam Rosi-Kessel http://stevereads.com/weblog/2004/09/30/deporting-and-torturing/comment-page-1/#comment-4115 Adam Rosi-Kessel Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://stevereads.com/weblog/civil_liberties_and_human_rights/torture/deporting_people_for_torture.html#comment-4115 <p><blockquote><p> I</p>

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]]> By: Steve Laniel http://stevereads.com/weblog/2004/09/30/deporting-and-torturing/comment-page-1/#comment-4116 Steve Laniel Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://stevereads.com/weblog/civil_liberties_and_human_rights/torture/deporting_people_for_torture.html#comment-4116 <p>Granted, traditionally oppressed groups are getting more shafted here. But even American citizens, like Jose Padilla (granted, it's an extraordinary case) are getting harmed. And of course the new wave of anti-civil-liberties laws is construed -- by Ashcroft et al. -- as applying to anyone even suspected of "terrorism." One of the earliest post-9/11 regulations was a change in Bureau of Prisons policy such that those suspected of terrorism will not have attorney-client privilege. And "terrorism" is remarkably vague.</p> <p>But yes, I see your point. I'm just feeling remarkably powerless nowadays -- like I couldn't cause any change here in the States, and that our days as a democracy are numbered.</p> <p>Relatedly, it's not clear to me that the constitutionality of laws is an especially big hurdle for the Bush administration to step over. Judges and Congress have lain down before the Bush administration during this never-ending war on terror.</p> <p>That said, I did just give my representative a call to express my opposition to Hastert's deport-and-torture bill.</p> Granted, traditionally oppressed groups are getting more shafted here. But even American citizens, like Jose Padilla (granted, it’s an extraordinary case) are getting harmed. And of course the new wave of anti-civil-liberties laws is construed — by Ashcroft et al. — as applying to anyone even suspected of “terrorism.” One of the earliest post-9/11 regulations was a change in Bureau of Prisons policy such that those suspected of terrorism will not have attorney-client privilege. And “terrorism” is remarkably vague.

But yes, I see your point. I’m just feeling remarkably powerless nowadays — like I couldn’t cause any change here in the States, and that our days as a democracy are numbered.

Relatedly, it’s not clear to me that the constitutionality of laws is an especially big hurdle for the Bush administration to step over. Judges and Congress have lain down before the Bush administration during this never-ending war on terror.

That said, I did just give my representative a call to express my opposition to Hastert’s deport-and-torture bill.

]]> By: doktor jahn http://stevereads.com/weblog/2004/09/30/deporting-and-torturing/comment-page-1/#comment-4117 doktor jahn Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://stevereads.com/weblog/civil_liberties_and_human_rights/torture/deporting_people_for_torture.html#comment-4117 <p>whenever i stumble across your site (and adam's) my head always threatens to explode... anyway, to the topic, i hate to break it to you but this nightware scenario has already happened: to a poor canadian named maher arar who was detained at JFK and subsequently sent to syria where he was brutally tortured for more than one year (and being canadian myself i was particularly interested in the story).</p> <p><p>he now has his own website and you can read his story here:</p> <p><p>http://www.maherarar.ca/mahers%20story.php</p> whenever i stumble across your site (and adam’s) my head always threatens to explode… anyway, to the topic, i hate to break it to you but this nightware scenario has already happened: to a poor canadian named maher arar who was detained at JFK and subsequently sent to syria where he was brutally tortured for more than one year (and being canadian myself i was particularly interested in the story).

he now has his own website and you can read his story here:

http://www.maherarar.ca/mahers%20story.php

]]> By: doktor jahn http://stevereads.com/weblog/2004/09/30/deporting-and-torturing/comment-page-1/#comment-4118 doktor jahn Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://stevereads.com/weblog/civil_liberties_and_human_rights/torture/deporting_people_for_torture.html#comment-4118 <p>correction: he was held in the syrian jail for ten months and ten days, not "more than one year" as i at first said.</p> correction: he was held in the syrian jail for ten months and ten days, not “more than one year” as i at first said.

]]> By: Steve Laniel http://stevereads.com/weblog/2004/09/30/deporting-and-torturing/comment-page-1/#comment-4119 Steve Laniel Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://stevereads.com/weblog/civil_liberties_and_human_rights/torture/deporting_people_for_torture.html#comment-4119 <p>As some sort of blogospheric (I hate that word, but moving on) defense of my own world-wisdom, I'll point out that I <a href="/weblog/civil_liberties/torturing_suspected_terrorists_by_proxy.html">mentioned the Arar case</a> a while back. And I apparently <a href="/weblog/politics_and_policy/will_on_bushs_principles.html">also mentioned it when attacking George Will</a>. So that's ... something.</p> As some sort of blogospheric (I hate that word, but moving on) defense of my own world-wisdom, I’ll point out that I mentioned the Arar case a while back. And I apparently also mentioned it when attacking George Will. So that’s … something.

]]> By: doktor jahn http://stevereads.com/weblog/2004/09/30/deporting-and-torturing/comment-page-1/#comment-4120 doktor jahn Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://stevereads.com/weblog/civil_liberties_and_human_rights/torture/deporting_people_for_torture.html#comment-4120 <p>your blogospheric world-wisdomhood has been restored in my eyes once again. so when do you pack your bags for the south of france?</p> your blogospheric world-wisdomhood has been restored in my eyes once again. so when do you pack your bags for the south of france?

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